1 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:25,230 basically I thought what can I do 2 00:00:22,019 --> 00:00:27,420 something with the British angle and I 3 00:00:25,230 --> 00:00:29,518 wanted to cover something that the UK 4 00:00:27,420 --> 00:00:32,850 has been well known for recently and 5 00:00:29,518 --> 00:00:35,969 that's the release of military files and 6 00:00:32,850 --> 00:00:37,980 national archive files and the you the 7 00:00:35,969 --> 00:00:40,260 UK's got quite a reputation for this at 8 00:00:37,979 --> 00:00:42,718 the moment the fact that it's got this 9 00:00:40,259 --> 00:00:45,058 stage release a very slow release of 10 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:47,160 hundreds of thousands literally hundreds 11 00:00:45,058 --> 00:00:49,649 of thousands of pages of data of 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:53,308 sightings that both military and 13 00:00:49,649 --> 00:00:56,250 civilian personnel have put through so 14 00:00:53,308 --> 00:00:57,988 all I'm going to do I've got to try to 15 00:00:56,250 --> 00:00:59,909 give this Michael an EXO political 16 00:00:57,988 --> 00:01:02,189 perspective so it's looking at the whole 17 00:00:59,909 --> 00:01:04,859 idea of Freedom of Information Act and 18 00:01:02,189 --> 00:01:07,079 military file release from a slightly 19 00:01:04,859 --> 00:01:09,719 different angle and weighing up is it 20 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:11,849 useful for us is it is it a diversion 21 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:13,469 from what we should be looking at what 22 00:01:11,849 --> 00:01:16,709 what angle are the government and the 23 00:01:13,469 --> 00:01:18,359 military and these other agencies coming 24 00:01:16,709 --> 00:01:18,929 from when they when they release these 25 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:21,209 files 26 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:23,700 what sort of view are we getting at the 27 00:01:21,209 --> 00:01:26,879 whole UFO and the wider exopolitical 28 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:32,969 phenomena by having these files released 29 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:34,289 to the to the wider public so there's a 30 00:01:32,969 --> 00:01:36,060 lot of contradictions going on with the 31 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:38,159 file release as I'm going to I'm going 32 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:39,509 to say I've got some video in this but 33 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:40,710 I'm going to skip all that so we push 34 00:01:39,509 --> 00:01:43,560 the time I think we've had to reduce 35 00:01:40,709 --> 00:01:47,009 everything by about an hour so I'm going 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,840 to just skip through with with images as 37 00:01:47,009 --> 00:01:50,368 you'll see the the contradictions that 38 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,340 come through with fire release as in the 39 00:01:50,368 --> 00:01:54,118 whole idea that this is to do with 40 00:01:52,340 --> 00:01:56,100 freeing of information 41 00:01:54,118 --> 00:01:58,438 making people more aware of an issue and 42 00:01:56,099 --> 00:02:00,478 yet I think as we'll see from some of 43 00:01:58,438 --> 00:02:01,438 the historical things that go right back 44 00:02:00,478 --> 00:02:04,140 to the Second World War 45 00:02:01,438 --> 00:02:05,459 that's not always the case so I quite 46 00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:06,959 like that quote I don't know where it 47 00:02:05,459 --> 00:02:09,299 came from but I quite like that quote at 48 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:11,008 the top the truth is so fresh is that 49 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:13,140 she should always be a tenth to be 50 00:02:11,008 --> 00:02:15,389 attended by a bodyguard of lies and I 51 00:02:13,139 --> 00:02:20,098 think as we go on you should see that 52 00:02:15,389 --> 00:02:22,048 that's that's the case so although I 53 00:02:20,098 --> 00:02:25,259 think we've had I think we've come about 54 00:02:22,049 --> 00:02:27,540 five or six national countries actually 55 00:02:25,259 --> 00:02:29,068 backing to the fire release that's 56 00:02:27,539 --> 00:02:32,068 actually formal governments when you 57 00:02:29,068 --> 00:02:33,929 include military families and smaller 58 00:02:32,068 --> 00:02:35,458 organizations within governments there's 59 00:02:33,930 --> 00:02:37,560 many more I think it's about 12 or 13 60 00:02:35,459 --> 00:02:39,659 back to the official governments I think 61 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,840 it's about five to six that have done it 62 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:44,340 and that's the last time I checked but 63 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,159 the British have certainly made a big 64 00:02:44,340 --> 00:02:49,229 issue over this we're one of the few 65 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:53,039 places of course that has the UFO disk 66 00:02:49,229 --> 00:02:55,649 headed by Nick Pope cause the many of 67 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:58,798 you are aware of so Nick managed the UFO 68 00:02:55,650 --> 00:03:00,840 desk in the 1990s and that's part of the 69 00:02:58,799 --> 00:03:03,150 branch of the mo D that dealt with the 70 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,789 East files as they came in Nicky dealt 71 00:03:03,150 --> 00:03:14,730 with military sightings and also 72 00:03:05,789 --> 00:03:17,009 civilian Seguin okay all right okay so 73 00:03:14,729 --> 00:03:18,810 so yes a Nick was part of that and 74 00:03:17,009 --> 00:03:21,120 basically what's happened is the 75 00:03:18,810 --> 00:03:23,969 National Archives were given that were 76 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,739 given the job of dealing with these this 77 00:03:23,969 --> 00:03:28,680 vast amount of files that have collected 78 00:03:25,739 --> 00:03:30,840 over years in various military mostly 79 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,329 the mo D but in various military 80 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,639 divisions and so there's been this stage 81 00:03:33,329 --> 00:03:38,430 release of these files the the main 82 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:40,469 reason you know we say was to do with 83 00:03:38,430 --> 00:03:42,329 enlightening the public actually it was 84 00:03:40,469 --> 00:03:45,389 to do with the fact that as we all know 85 00:03:42,329 --> 00:03:48,239 the the UFO issue is growing huge in 86 00:03:45,389 --> 00:03:51,719 fact in Britain and Europe then the 87 00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:53,489 demand for the reporting of sightings 88 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:57,629 has increased I think I think it's 89 00:03:53,489 --> 00:04:00,329 doubled since in 2008 2009 finding that 90 00:03:57,629 --> 00:04:02,039 in many of the European countries the 91 00:04:00,329 --> 00:04:03,110 media are treating the whole issue a 92 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:04,579 little bit 93 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:07,040 so the lod were finding ourselves 94 00:04:04,580 --> 00:04:08,840 totally overworked with the amount of 95 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:10,009 files and they had to deal with so that 96 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,900 was their reason they thought they'd do 97 00:04:10,009 --> 00:04:14,239 this release and it would save them time 98 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:17,590 with the amount of ematic inquiries that 99 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,430 they'd have to deal with and I've seen 100 00:04:17,589 --> 00:04:21,199 one of the interesting things that 101 00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:22,850 demonstrated this demand was when the 102 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:25,699 French also released their files they 103 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:27,530 had a huge server crash the the files 104 00:04:25,699 --> 00:04:29,479 that they tried to give out the two days 105 00:04:27,529 --> 00:04:30,949 there keep their their server which 106 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:39,020 we're dealing with the file file issues 107 00:04:30,949 --> 00:04:41,479 actually crashed I wanted to make the 108 00:04:39,019 --> 00:04:43,039 point that to to a lot of people a lot 109 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,410 of things to do with the the far release 110 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,790 are to do with very basic sightings this 111 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:48,170 is sort of an average form that you'll 112 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:49,640 find when you look through these 113 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:51,050 documents if you've got the patients 114 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:52,669 from all around the world these 115 00:04:51,050 --> 00:04:54,079 countries that have released them then 116 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:55,790 most of them are to do with this it's 117 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,620 basically look like I caught a distant 118 00:04:55,790 --> 00:05:00,110 light in the sky and it's a description 119 00:04:57,620 --> 00:05:01,519 of those so you've got a flood and it 120 00:05:00,110 --> 00:05:05,319 literally is if you look through the 121 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:08,659 ratio 99 percent are like this however 122 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:10,159 within this within the far release the 123 00:05:08,660 --> 00:05:12,050 way that they've staged its don't Li the 124 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,910 way that UK have done it is they staged 125 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:16,579 a certain amount of files but they've 126 00:05:13,910 --> 00:05:18,470 got some highlights in certain cases 127 00:05:16,579 --> 00:05:20,479 that actually quite a few gems in there 128 00:05:18,470 --> 00:05:23,060 if you have to look carefully but you 129 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,800 need patience to look through that paola 130 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:27,500 also recently is found files from New 131 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,970 Zealand and wealthier than Thailand and 132 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:31,430 they're both the same they've got a lot 133 00:05:28,970 --> 00:05:33,050 a huge amount of this sort of stuff but 134 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:36,519 the odds the odds really good 135 00:05:33,050 --> 00:05:36,520 interesting case in it as well 136 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,660 this was just a bit of joint research 137 00:05:39,649 --> 00:05:45,679 you can't see this if you want to go to 138 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:48,980 this is the UK export excite myself this 139 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:51,680 was in 2009 Roberts and I think Ollie 140 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:53,150 and also the guy who does Exopolitics 141 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,879 Poland's went through one of the 142 00:05:53,149 --> 00:05:57,019 releases and we all did a section on 143 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:59,540 what we found in the 144 00:05:57,019 --> 00:06:01,519 so that's quite a detailed report there 145 00:05:59,540 --> 00:06:03,140 it covers several pages so if you're 146 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:04,879 interested in one of our takes on on 147 00:06:03,139 --> 00:06:09,560 this hole you can go to the UK site and 148 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:10,939 and actually find that one okay this is 149 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,550 where it gets interesting and what if 150 00:06:10,939 --> 00:06:15,259 you've seen the hassle initial flyer for 151 00:06:13,550 --> 00:06:18,590 this event I was I just going to do the 152 00:06:15,259 --> 00:06:20,000 whole thing on Churchill what seems to 153 00:06:18,589 --> 00:06:23,959 have happened is Churchill Cup has come 154 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,639 to represent a lot of the intrigue over 155 00:06:23,959 --> 00:06:29,659 fire release a lot of the contradictions 156 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:31,279 over fire release so basically I'll 157 00:06:29,660 --> 00:06:32,870 crack on with with with what's that what 158 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,969 happens with Churchill Wendy this is 159 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:37,100 what we found out by going backwards and 160 00:06:34,970 --> 00:06:39,620 looking into some of the files that have 161 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:41,240 been released a lot from the actual war 162 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:43,699 period the actual World War two period 163 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,290 seem to magically disappeared but they 164 00:06:43,699 --> 00:06:49,370 seem to be referenced in in other ways 165 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:51,590 which I'll come to I'll come to later so 166 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:53,860 this is basically one this is one of the 167 00:06:51,589 --> 00:06:56,269 main ones that came about quite recently 168 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:58,819 this is of course you're all aware of 169 00:06:56,269 --> 00:07:01,039 the Foo Fighters to do with this is that 170 00:06:58,819 --> 00:07:02,389 an raf bomber plane they encountered a 171 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,860 silver disc it wasn't even a food 172 00:07:02,389 --> 00:07:05,959 fighter the small lights this was actual 173 00:07:03,860 --> 00:07:08,389 full-on silver discs but encountered 174 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:11,269 coming back over the chat the English 175 00:07:08,389 --> 00:07:12,800 Channel and there was great detail given 176 00:07:11,269 --> 00:07:15,799 by the pilots that were flying in this 177 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:18,590 plane and obviously the the report they 178 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,660 gave was passed to the military and 179 00:07:18,589 --> 00:07:23,569 eventually got back to Winston Churchill 180 00:07:20,660 --> 00:07:25,189 himself and obviously startled him to 181 00:07:23,569 --> 00:07:27,529 such a degree that he gave this quote at 182 00:07:25,189 --> 00:07:28,969 the bottom you know which is quite a you 183 00:07:27,529 --> 00:07:30,439 know it's quite something to admit it 184 00:07:28,970 --> 00:07:32,750 socially someone like him as meant to be 185 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:35,000 this brave you know this is at least I 186 00:07:32,750 --> 00:07:36,829 here over for the Second World War 187 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,569 this is avenged you'd be immediately 188 00:07:36,829 --> 00:07:40,370 classified it will trade mass panic 189 00:07:38,569 --> 00:07:42,889 amongst the general population and 190 00:07:40,370 --> 00:07:44,600 destroy ones belief in the church so 191 00:07:42,889 --> 00:07:47,029 that's an interesting point on his whole 192 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,950 idea then the practice of religion was 193 00:07:47,029 --> 00:07:51,019 at the center of that and as Paola said 194 00:07:48,949 --> 00:07:52,219 it's also to do with economics and 195 00:07:51,019 --> 00:07:54,139 there's several other reasons as well 196 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:56,930 why people think this should be kept 197 00:07:54,139 --> 00:07:59,180 score I assume so there you have it one 198 00:07:56,930 --> 00:08:01,120 of her one of Churchill's actual strong 199 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:03,650 points and saying that he actually put 200 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,259 this was discussed with Eisenhower and 201 00:08:03,649 --> 00:08:07,229 as this 202 00:08:04,259 --> 00:08:10,889 he demanded a 50-year blackout on this 203 00:08:07,230 --> 00:08:15,140 actual file and basically insinuating on 204 00:08:10,889 --> 00:08:15,139 the whole topic the whole subject itself 205 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:20,879 so here's the first of the 206 00:08:18,689 --> 00:08:23,600 contradictions and this is one of the 207 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:26,879 memos that I find her little bit strange 208 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:29,430 so in 1952 which if many of you know 209 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:31,980 about the USA this was the that they had 210 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:34,350 a huge mass of sightings there was also 211 00:08:31,980 --> 00:08:36,029 a huge amount of pilots that were went 212 00:08:34,350 --> 00:08:38,668 missing if they went apparently up to 213 00:08:36,029 --> 00:08:41,220 chase UFOs very interesting year in the 214 00:08:38,668 --> 00:08:43,970 USA and so you had discussions there 215 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:47,070 between Churchill and and Eisenhower 216 00:08:43,970 --> 00:08:49,920 when Churchill saw the reports from the 217 00:08:47,070 --> 00:08:52,620 US press that made their way over to 218 00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:55,469 Britain he ended up passing out out a 219 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:58,379 memo to his senior staff and basically 220 00:08:55,470 --> 00:09:01,080 said I summarized there was all this 221 00:08:58,379 --> 00:09:04,320 stuff about flying saucers and asked for 222 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,240 a reply in their convenience they didn't 223 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,890 write back it's just swamp gas but they 224 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,659 may as well have done because when they 225 00:09:07,889 --> 00:09:11,909 when they responded they basically said 226 00:09:09,659 --> 00:09:13,919 don't worry sir nothing nothing to see 227 00:09:11,909 --> 00:09:15,689 here we've looked into this issue and 228 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:18,409 there's absolutely nothing going on this 229 00:09:15,690 --> 00:09:22,770 this can all be attributed to Venus and 230 00:09:18,409 --> 00:09:25,159 misidentified birds in the sky so but I 231 00:09:22,769 --> 00:09:27,779 find all that a little strange given 232 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:30,209 that we know that Winston Churchill had 233 00:09:27,779 --> 00:09:33,000 a sighting or was aware of an incident 234 00:09:30,210 --> 00:09:35,370 in World War one he can go look into 235 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,590 that for yourself he was an admiral at 236 00:09:35,370 --> 00:09:39,480 that time as though certain things going 237 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:41,879 on and you can find out about his the 238 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,220 instant that he was aware of regards 239 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:47,220 this issue of course if this base is 240 00:09:44,220 --> 00:09:49,399 1952 there was also the numerous as we 241 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:53,160 just seen at the world war two issues 242 00:09:49,399 --> 00:09:54,629 close relations of course between the UK 243 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:56,879 and the US especially with Eisenhower 244 00:09:54,629 --> 00:09:59,850 Oakley the war with also with Stalin's 245 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:01,320 stuff and other European leaders were 246 00:09:59,850 --> 00:10:04,050 aware of this issue mostly I suppose 247 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,610 you've got the fascist leaders Adolphe 248 00:10:04,049 --> 00:10:07,529 Hitler and Mussolini apparently very 249 00:10:05,610 --> 00:10:10,440 much aware of the issues of flying 250 00:10:07,529 --> 00:10:12,689 saucers so you've got to ask yourself in 251 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,220 that case given this this section here 252 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:17,279 why on earth would he be 253 00:10:14,220 --> 00:10:19,050 and mo with just the line saying what's 254 00:10:17,278 --> 00:10:21,689 what's all this stuff about fall flying 255 00:10:19,049 --> 00:10:24,149 saucers and one idea that this was just 256 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:25,949 put into the paper chain that Churchill 257 00:10:24,149 --> 00:10:27,990 was aware that these things will 258 00:10:25,948 --> 00:10:29,370 practically passed around and would come 259 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:33,649 out later and this if it was his way of 260 00:10:29,370 --> 00:10:33,649 quieting quite in the whole issue down 261 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:39,259 in addition what was going on at the 262 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:41,970 time just it's a bit of context for this 263 00:10:39,259 --> 00:10:44,100 Britain created with under Churchill for 264 00:10:41,970 --> 00:10:47,040 the fifties the Flying Saucer Working 265 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:49,528 Party this is basically a group of 266 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:53,009 high-ranking politicians and military 267 00:10:49,528 --> 00:10:54,838 men who basically did just as Bluebook 268 00:10:53,009 --> 00:10:57,209 did in the States basically made people 269 00:10:54,839 --> 00:10:58,560 come to the decision that's actually 270 00:10:57,208 --> 00:11:01,198 there's nothing much going on and the 271 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:04,409 whole issue as well here is this line 272 00:11:01,198 --> 00:11:07,019 that's often quoted that Nick Nick that 273 00:11:04,409 --> 00:11:12,000 the Pope mentions of the UFO issue 274 00:11:07,019 --> 00:11:13,500 having no defense significance so the 275 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,539 the other point that as well as happens 276 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:18,500 is we we know from looking through these 277 00:11:15,539 --> 00:11:20,639 files and from relating them to 278 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:21,659 experiences that are given outside of 279 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:23,850 the fight in other words when we've 280 00:11:21,659 --> 00:11:25,318 interviewed old military people that 281 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:28,860 have discussed this sort of thing from 282 00:11:25,318 --> 00:11:30,568 the 40s and 50s that certain really 283 00:11:28,860 --> 00:11:32,850 interesting episodes actually haven't 284 00:11:30,568 --> 00:11:36,778 made it through the file release process 285 00:11:32,850 --> 00:11:39,659 and from there's an per se there are 286 00:11:36,778 --> 00:11:42,899 certain areas of the military once 287 00:11:39,659 --> 00:11:45,389 called de 55 which we should we think 288 00:11:42,899 --> 00:11:47,610 the the really juicy files to do with 289 00:11:45,389 --> 00:11:49,860 perhaps contacts and to do with them 290 00:11:47,610 --> 00:11:52,620 really interesting sightings the ones 291 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:54,930 that Rubik you hot as you get moved into 292 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:56,578 into the into these high-ranking 293 00:11:54,929 --> 00:11:58,219 military area so they don't actually 294 00:11:56,578 --> 00:12:01,049 make it down to the lower levels of 295 00:11:58,220 --> 00:12:02,490 politics to low levels of the military 296 00:12:01,049 --> 00:12:06,588 and hence they don't even get considered 297 00:12:02,490 --> 00:12:06,589 for part of a final release process 298 00:12:07,549 --> 00:12:12,329 also we were aware at the same time that 299 00:12:11,070 --> 00:12:15,840 structures were in place to deal with 300 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:18,030 with certain instance so prior to all 301 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:21,269 this although we see Winston Churchill 302 00:12:18,029 --> 00:12:23,549 asking in 1952 what's this about about 303 00:12:21,269 --> 00:12:25,259 flying saucers there were certain issues 304 00:12:23,549 --> 00:12:27,209 or structures in place to deal with the 305 00:12:25,259 --> 00:12:29,700 fact Wego as we'll see in a minute way 306 00:12:27,210 --> 00:12:31,800 back to the forties to deal with the 307 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:34,170 fact that should in this case permission 308 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,939 pilots which pilots had an encounter in 309 00:12:34,169 --> 00:12:37,459 the late forties and fifties there was a 310 00:12:35,940 --> 00:12:39,750 strict process by which they were 311 00:12:37,460 --> 00:12:42,780 debriefed to talk to say nothing 312 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:44,190 basically threatened and so you've got 313 00:12:42,779 --> 00:12:45,779 this bizarre contradiction you've got 314 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:47,370 Winston Churchill saying oh you know I 315 00:12:45,779 --> 00:12:49,470 need to know more about this thing about 316 00:12:47,370 --> 00:12:52,080 flying saucers and yet these structures 317 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:55,230 are in place to actually deal with that 318 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,600 at a certain level so again is this the 319 00:12:55,230 --> 00:12:58,889 point I'm trying to make here is what 320 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,580 sort of light does that throw on this 321 00:12:58,889 --> 00:13:04,259 whole idea of the trustworthiness of 322 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:10,220 fire release and the way the British 323 00:13:04,259 --> 00:13:13,620 ammonia released these things this is 324 00:13:10,220 --> 00:13:17,970 one of the prime examples of that in 325 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:21,230 1957 this is a u.s. pilot called Milton 326 00:13:17,970 --> 00:13:24,600 Torres who was based in the in the UK 327 00:13:21,230 --> 00:13:27,810 and again another contradiction but he 328 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,560 was actually ordered to a huge UFO came 329 00:13:27,809 --> 00:13:31,500 up on radar 330 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,750 he had a state-of-the-art plane that 331 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:36,389 basically he was asked to go chase this 332 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:38,490 UFO engage the lock on with with 333 00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:40,080 missiles near 24 states they aren't 334 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:43,169 missiles on board and to basically 335 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:45,990 attack and fire his rockets at this of 336 00:13:43,169 --> 00:13:48,120 this UFO he think he caught up with it 337 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:49,740 at the end in the end the UFO 338 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,429 accelerated away it didn't have chance 339 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:56,460 to fire his missiles at this rocket 340 00:13:53,429 --> 00:13:58,349 however and this guy is quite 341 00:13:56,460 --> 00:14:00,500 interesting as we burst into tears on 342 00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:03,930 several occasions because interestingly 343 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:07,080 until the file release came out in the 344 00:14:03,929 --> 00:14:08,399 UK stating his case and giving an idea 345 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,509 about its what actually happened with 346 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:13,360 his jaws he he did a report and his 347 00:14:10,509 --> 00:14:15,399 seniors did a report he had kept totally 348 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,080 quiet he unable to tell his son about it 349 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,699 can't be able to sell its doubt about it 350 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:22,150 and this had really cut him up inside 351 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:24,040 and so when he house he saw the heard 352 00:14:22,149 --> 00:14:25,419 that the fire release was I don't this 353 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:27,669 sort of freedom up a bit to go and be 354 00:14:25,419 --> 00:14:30,579 able to talk to to talk about this issue 355 00:14:27,669 --> 00:14:32,589 and again you know a real example there 356 00:14:30,580 --> 00:14:34,450 a human example of what secrecy can do 357 00:14:32,590 --> 00:14:36,820 the facts of people are told to to keep 358 00:14:34,450 --> 00:14:39,100 quiet and faithfully he that he did this 359 00:14:36,820 --> 00:14:42,910 but again relating it back to the whole 360 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:45,279 point this by the mid fifties there's a 361 00:14:42,909 --> 00:14:46,329 whole although the mo D is saying that 362 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:48,789 these things have no defense 363 00:14:46,330 --> 00:14:50,200 significance we've got a prose comment 364 00:14:48,789 --> 00:14:52,269 place that immediately the moment this 365 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,940 thing is cited on radar they launched 366 00:14:52,269 --> 00:14:59,679 rated the art planes to go after to go 367 00:14:54,940 --> 00:15:01,240 after the UFO this is really interesting 368 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:05,500 and I wish I wish out time to show you a 369 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,820 clip of the video here of this but this 370 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:10,870 is one of the earliest ones I could find 371 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:12,970 so this this this this man here mr. Hall 372 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:15,009 it's based in Gateshead which is in the 373 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:18,279 North East of England up in what they 374 00:15:15,009 --> 00:15:20,259 call Geordie Georgie lands and basically 375 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:22,480 when he just sort of seven-year-old he 376 00:15:20,259 --> 00:15:24,100 encountered a classic gray and a 377 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,670 sorcerer along with other kids on the 378 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:30,159 street right at the start of the war he 379 00:15:27,669 --> 00:15:33,639 then later met this met this gray a day 380 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:36,009 later and his uncle came up and hit him 381 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:38,860 supposedly hit this hit this alien with 382 00:15:36,009 --> 00:15:41,350 a spade and they went and took this body 383 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:43,210 and hit it his in the church 384 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:44,529 absolutely when you when you hear him 385 00:15:43,210 --> 00:15:46,389 there's also other witness that the come 386 00:15:44,529 --> 00:15:48,669 on the tape and and back up his story 387 00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:50,110 you know seven-year-old children don't 388 00:15:48,669 --> 00:15:52,329 don't mistake these sort of things 389 00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:54,940 he seems really sincere a lot of his 390 00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:58,360 family back report he said what is 391 00:15:54,940 --> 00:16:00,100 interesting is that even in 1940 despite 392 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,320 the impression that we're given by these 393 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:04,840 memos that or we don't really know what 394 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,610 these UFOs are we're all in the dark in 395 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,399 evil at nineteen forty all that time 396 00:16:06,610 --> 00:16:12,250 back within hours of this there was 397 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:13,829 police military personnel scientists 398 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:16,240 there was a complete media blackout 399 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:18,759 along the whole of the locally and hold 400 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,798 the UK on this issue 401 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,239 so again you've got you've got a 402 00:16:20,798 --> 00:16:24,100 contradiction you've got a complete 403 00:16:22,239 --> 00:16:26,290 structure in place there to deal with 404 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:30,670 this issue and yet the fire release the 405 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:31,988 fire releases are saying otherwise so 406 00:16:30,669 --> 00:16:33,278 that's just as summing up the points 407 00:16:31,989 --> 00:16:35,709 what I saying that you've got this 408 00:16:33,278 --> 00:16:38,798 basics or dichotomy this splits between 409 00:16:35,708 --> 00:16:41,498 the two Church Churchill the Churchill 410 00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:42,698 memo they're saying that that these we 411 00:16:41,499 --> 00:16:44,949 don't know what these things are on he 412 00:16:42,698 --> 00:16:47,289 this this head of the you know Prime 413 00:16:44,948 --> 00:16:50,019 Minister header strategist of the whole 414 00:16:47,289 --> 00:16:51,428 of the the military in the UK wants to 415 00:16:50,019 --> 00:16:53,589 know what they're about the flying 416 00:16:51,428 --> 00:16:55,808 source of work fly source of working 417 00:16:53,589 --> 00:16:57,279 party also created it's basically saying 418 00:16:55,808 --> 00:16:59,438 there's no defense significance in these 419 00:16:57,278 --> 00:17:01,958 things but we have rightly mentioned in 420 00:16:59,438 --> 00:17:04,209 1940 we have a system set up to deal 421 00:17:01,958 --> 00:17:06,458 with this pilots being deep debriefed 422 00:17:04,209 --> 00:17:08,889 and even actively targeting as we just 423 00:17:06,459 --> 00:17:14,828 seen with the Milton Torres case UFOs 424 00:17:08,888 --> 00:17:16,448 over the UK so basically I think with 425 00:17:14,828 --> 00:17:19,328 all the hiking we've seen over over the 426 00:17:16,449 --> 00:17:20,470 fire release process I just want to get 427 00:17:19,328 --> 00:17:21,759 it a bit more in context because 428 00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:23,110 everyone's two authors a lot of feels 429 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:24,818 been hanging on the whole process of 430 00:17:23,109 --> 00:17:27,548 well are we going to see some great 431 00:17:24,818 --> 00:17:30,278 revelation from these things and I think 432 00:17:27,548 --> 00:17:33,548 I just wanted to make the point that in 433 00:17:30,278 --> 00:17:35,019 a way there's there might be some angles 434 00:17:33,548 --> 00:17:37,720 within the fire release that you could 435 00:17:35,019 --> 00:17:39,548 find some some gems and some lip props 436 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,778 to little avenues through to look to the 437 00:17:39,548 --> 00:17:43,960 you know to find a glimmer through the 438 00:17:40,778 --> 00:17:46,058 whole issue of the secrecy however 439 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,490 there's this we think you know really 440 00:17:46,058 --> 00:17:50,319 this thing operates on the level on many 441 00:17:48,490 --> 00:17:52,870 levels one one of course includes the 442 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:55,359 whole idea of flooding Farley's flooding 443 00:17:52,869 --> 00:17:58,808 many both the majority of the sightings 444 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:02,048 with the more mundane the more basic 445 00:17:58,808 --> 00:18:04,619 ones of lights in the sky with you know 446 00:18:02,048 --> 00:18:07,269 you get the odd to the odd GM thrown in 447 00:18:04,619 --> 00:18:09,459 and so I put at the bottom here that the 448 00:18:07,269 --> 00:18:11,048 more likely instead of this being a 449 00:18:09,460 --> 00:18:12,880 basically full-on disinformation 450 00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:14,740 campaign which I don't I don't actively 451 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,860 and I think there's use so usefulness in 452 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:19,778 this government Farley's process but 453 00:18:17,859 --> 00:18:22,808 it's more likely that the real materials 454 00:18:19,778 --> 00:18:24,519 use which is the classic method of sort 455 00:18:22,808 --> 00:18:26,798 of handling information and 456 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:28,960 disinformation in a way real material is 457 00:18:26,798 --> 00:18:31,000 used and filtered to move the data 458 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,269 points that would not allow us to to 459 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,829 lead to a comprehensive hypothesis that 460 00:18:34,269 --> 00:18:39,278 certain sections of the government were 461 00:18:35,829 --> 00:18:41,379 aware of the ET and UFO issue in other 462 00:18:39,278 --> 00:18:43,690 words by putting out these numerous file 463 00:18:41,380 --> 00:18:45,340 in a fairly disorganized manner complete 464 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:48,190 with swamp occurs with lots of stories 465 00:18:45,339 --> 00:18:50,619 about fairly mundane matters that we're 466 00:18:48,190 --> 00:18:52,659 unable to actually put a pound together 467 00:18:50,619 --> 00:18:54,519 and find out what the really crucial 468 00:18:52,659 --> 00:18:56,110 issues which is what Exopolitics is 469 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:58,089 dealing with you know that the crucial 470 00:18:56,109 --> 00:19:01,178 issues to do with contacts to do with 471 00:18:58,089 --> 00:19:03,579 disclosure and so I think it's down to 472 00:19:01,179 --> 00:19:05,559 us to way of how importance these issues 473 00:19:03,579 --> 00:19:07,898 are and how important issue with fire 474 00:19:05,558 --> 00:19:15,428 reliefs are and to be very careful about 475 00:19:07,898 --> 00:19:17,759 the data that we handed so I just made 476 00:19:15,429 --> 00:19:21,820 another couple of points here that 477 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:24,398 what's interesting is if you look at the 478 00:19:21,819 --> 00:19:25,778 there's a lot of talk about how the what 479 00:19:24,398 --> 00:19:27,388 Stephen Bassett one of the people that 480 00:19:25,778 --> 00:19:29,950 does a lot of the Exopolitics community 481 00:19:27,388 --> 00:19:31,569 seems totally disappointed that the USA 482 00:19:29,950 --> 00:19:32,319 haven't come forward and released any of 483 00:19:31,569 --> 00:19:35,710 their files 484 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:37,808 seem pretty apart from a few Freedom of 485 00:19:35,710 --> 00:19:39,399 Information Act not a lot of enduring 486 00:19:37,808 --> 00:19:40,569 certainly not they're not refusing to 487 00:19:39,398 --> 00:19:41,979 follow the pattern that most of the 488 00:19:40,569 --> 00:19:44,128 European countries and some of the Latin 489 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:47,798 American countries in doing the full on 490 00:19:44,128 --> 00:19:49,359 file release however I find it quite 491 00:19:47,798 --> 00:19:50,950 strange that compared to the British who 492 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,979 very much found fed and hyped 493 00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:55,120 their release of these files that when 494 00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:57,490 you actually look at the ones that have 495 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,378 been made these were made the 20 member 496 00:19:57,490 --> 00:20:02,019 I think and some of the FBI ones if you 497 00:19:59,378 --> 00:20:04,209 have a look were made under the Carter 498 00:20:02,019 --> 00:20:06,298 mulcaster America it was very good at 499 00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:08,710 releasing a lot of files in the USA so 500 00:20:06,298 --> 00:20:10,990 you've got things like the the general 501 00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:12,730 twining memo that basically stated that 502 00:20:10,990 --> 00:20:15,429 these crafts are officially not 503 00:20:12,730 --> 00:20:17,230 fictitious some the FBI files came to 504 00:20:15,429 --> 00:20:18,850 light recently they should have a look 505 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:20,919 online Bruce Maccabee looked into a 506 00:20:18,849 --> 00:20:22,829 couple of these and so bizarrely 507 00:20:20,919 --> 00:20:25,059 although the USA have not released 508 00:20:22,829 --> 00:20:26,829 haven't done a formal file leases as 509 00:20:25,058 --> 00:20:28,329 such and I looked at by as if this 510 00:20:26,829 --> 00:20:30,668 they're part of this governments that 511 00:20:28,329 --> 00:20:32,888 are still clamping down through the fact 512 00:20:30,669 --> 00:20:34,250 that the USA are very efficient in some 513 00:20:32,888 --> 00:20:37,490 ways freedom of information 514 00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:39,170 we've got several really good memos and 515 00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:41,599 bits of data that have come out from 516 00:20:39,170 --> 00:20:43,430 that an example here if the British 517 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:44,869 still holding back again despite having 518 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:46,880 this reputation of being you know but 519 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:48,799 that we've done this great great service 520 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,720 to great service to Britain and to the 521 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:53,059 world by doing this very organised file 522 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,190 release interestingly again with regard 523 00:20:53,059 --> 00:20:57,049 to the Rendlesham case which many of you 524 00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:59,900 will probably be aware of a huge huge 525 00:20:57,049 --> 00:21:02,089 case it was only Larry Warren one of the 526 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:03,680 members of who was actually present at 527 00:21:02,089 --> 00:21:05,599 the Rendlesham base it was only when he 528 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,269 did a Friedman a u.s. Freedom of 529 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:11,059 Information Act request that he got some 530 00:21:08,269 --> 00:21:12,710 of the data out from the USA that then 531 00:21:11,059 --> 00:21:15,349 started to trigger the interest in the 532 00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:17,150 whole in the whole issue right up to 533 00:21:15,349 --> 00:21:19,369 that point and onwards to actually past 534 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:21,500 that point since he got the data the UK 535 00:21:19,369 --> 00:21:22,759 MOT consistently denied including in 536 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,769 Parliament I think when Moore's Hill 537 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:28,279 Morton brought it up denied that this 538 00:21:24,769 --> 00:21:30,079 event ever took place then magically the 539 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:32,809 the Holt memo which had already come out 540 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:35,359 in another form anyway arise formally in 541 00:21:32,809 --> 00:21:37,429 the archives so I'm just making a point 542 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,309 there that again the UK government are 543 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:42,890 obscuring data and have obscured data 544 00:21:40,309 --> 00:21:44,809 and and again as part as part of this 545 00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:51,320 process they're still in control of the 546 00:21:44,809 --> 00:21:56,210 information flow so the final points I 547 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:58,189 think I think I'm out of time nearly the 548 00:21:56,210 --> 00:22:01,009 I made the point that yet that the UFO 549 00:21:58,190 --> 00:22:04,519 UK UFO desk which I mentioned before 550 00:22:01,009 --> 00:22:07,789 there's run by Nick Nick Pope that was 551 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:09,559 closed down in 2009 this again is very 552 00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:12,319 strange and somewhat contradictory when 553 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:13,429 you look at the fact that the the 554 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:14,929 government seemed very pleased with 555 00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:16,640 themselves as regards the whole fire 556 00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:17,900 release process the the fact that 557 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,210 they've done this this this stage 558 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:21,620 released very organized very meticulous 559 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:25,220 has got a lot of press attention 560 00:22:21,619 --> 00:22:28,219 globally and yet as this as this process 561 00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:31,100 is just taking off then they closed down 562 00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:33,200 the MMD discs what's what's interesting 563 00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:35,209 is at the time they claimed this is in 564 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,279 many the broadsheet papers that the 565 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:39,019 reason for this was was for the Africa 566 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:41,149 they needed Afghan war funding I 567 00:22:39,019 --> 00:22:42,889 actually worked out that the they gave 568 00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:43,919 the budget for the UFO desk or I went to 569 00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:45,990 found that some 570 00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:48,659 I worked out that this actually would 571 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:50,400 have allowed us as in the Britain to 572 00:22:48,659 --> 00:22:53,250 operate for a grand total of thirty 573 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,980 minutes in Afghanistan so they decided 574 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:58,679 to shut down a very valuable UFO Jessica 575 00:22:55,980 --> 00:23:01,048 information service so they say for 30 576 00:22:58,679 --> 00:23:03,269 minutes worth of fighting in Afghanistan 577 00:23:01,048 --> 00:23:07,379 which seems very strange very strange 578 00:23:03,269 --> 00:23:09,210 moves to me so I said the the a shield 579 00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:11,669 the whole person other reason that the 580 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:14,308 UFO gets got closed down is maybe more 581 00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:15,750 likely down to the fasteners that the 582 00:23:14,308 --> 00:23:18,298 subject area was increased in an 583 00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:22,140 interest vastly we had a consistent from 584 00:23:18,298 --> 00:23:24,869 2007 doubling in reported sightings we 585 00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:27,270 has the media both tabloid media and 586 00:23:24,869 --> 00:23:29,219 broadsheet quality media in in Britain 587 00:23:27,269 --> 00:23:30,990 actually treating this issue with a fair 588 00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:32,850 bit of respect and you know the 589 00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:36,058 references to little green men has 590 00:23:32,849 --> 00:23:38,428 basically begun to fade away I think 591 00:23:36,058 --> 00:23:40,500 there was problems that basically they 592 00:23:38,429 --> 00:23:42,330 saw how this area was taking off how the 593 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:44,210 fire release was actually in some ways 594 00:23:42,329 --> 00:23:47,220 making the whole issue more more popular 595 00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:49,190 and as I put down here there was a 596 00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:52,980 danger of the of an official body 597 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:55,080 legitimizing the whole et issue so the 598 00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:57,179 UFO desk out to go so there was no 599 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,918 actual widget legitimizing off of this 600 00:23:57,179 --> 00:24:05,390 issue and in danger of becoming even 601 00:23:58,919 --> 00:24:08,970 wider okay we also did a section on 602 00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:12,570 Freedom Information Act and contact the 603 00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:13,950 whole issue of contacts eg contact is I 604 00:24:12,569 --> 00:24:17,668 think one of my favorites to do with the 605 00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:19,380 whole wide area of Exopolitics but not 606 00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:20,640 had time to do that and Natasha is going 607 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:23,850 to talk about a few of those two points 608 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,620 as well so just wanted to leave you and 609 00:24:23,849 --> 00:24:28,349 draw your attention to the Exopolitics 610 00:24:25,619 --> 00:24:31,199 Journal which I've contributed several 611 00:24:28,349 --> 00:24:33,240 essays to and coming out in a week's 612 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,419 time if you're interested in the whole 613 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,038 area of alien communication to do with 614 00:24:36,419 --> 00:24:39,659 academia how they how they are looking 615 00:24:38,038 --> 00:24:41,158 at the the issue and there's another 616 00:24:39,659 --> 00:24:43,950 title there from one Natasha's to them 617 00:24:41,159 --> 00:24:45,179 the journals free to download at that 618 00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:47,130 link there if you can see it in blue 619 00:24:45,179 --> 00:24:48,140 Exopolitics journal comm you could also 620 00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:51,200 go and get 621 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:54,130 back issues free.this the several years 622 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,830 worth of back issues there as well so 623 00:24:54,130 --> 00:25:00,650 contact issues are in the UK files the 624 00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:02,480 several strange cases that puts really 625 00:25:00,650 --> 00:25:03,650 if you want more interesting ones then 626 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,779 obviously it's going read it going we 627 00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:08,390 could book like your Mac instead or take 628 00:25:05,779 --> 00:25:11,299 a look at these so that's just a quick 629 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:14,150 glimpse into the pros and cons of UK 630 00:25:11,299 --> 00:25:16,480 freedom information maps and that's me 631 00:25:14,150 --> 00:25:16,480 done I think 632 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,419 you